Beiträge von Philippe

    " but everybody is free to do what he wants… "


    That also means that somebody is free to display pictures of a place (in 99.99% of cases, pictures of this place have already been published by somebody else on the web or on paper, that's why he looked for it and founded it) and is still be free to not disclose its location without beeing considered by others as a "bad guy" (as "das sind die schlimmsten" about me and my friends on this thread), for some reasons that he thinks beeing right : very fragile places or features, rock art or ruins that have to be protected, some places on Indian reservations (as the one we are talking about) for several reasons, places forbidden to visit without a guide or on private properties, and, last but not least, even for personal reasons as a promise made to the friends who told him this location and asked not to disclose it (for their own reasons whenever he agrees or not to them) beause a promise to a friend has not to be broken (personnaly, I will never break that kind of promise even if sometimes it is not easy to manage with some others close friends that ask me for it). If there is no strict promise to respect, it is also acceptable that somebody only tells some locations to very close friends that he knows for years and that he trusts in, for the same "right reasons" that you can read above.


    But the same guy who don't want to disclose some very few locations can decide to publish the location of some other interesting places still seldom seen and that everybody could visit without too much risk or trouble for these places or the inhabitants around. As an example, in the early 2000, I personnally found the location of places like Wahweap Hoodoos, Egg Factory in Bisti badlands, False Kiva (at a time when only a very few pictures of them were published and when there was absolutely no information about their precise location on the web or in guidebooks) and I decided with Laurent Martres to publish them in Photographing the Southwest. My close German friends did the same with locations that they founded by themselves and that they published on their web sites.


    We have to admit that in the real life, almost nothing is black or white but is rather different kind of greys, and that human beeings can have their own reasons to do "that" or "not that" depending of the circumstances, without being treated as "good" or "bad". This is just my opinion....


    This will be my only post about that subject, as I want that everybody here knows my position (even if it is not accepted), I don't want to begin a series of contreversial posts about this sensible subject as it happened about English speaking on this forum !
    Gruss


    Philippe



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    Edit for Westernlady :


    As I was writing this long post, I didn't read the edited version of your post before answering it.


    Now that I have read it, I can also understand some of your concerns as you probably understand part of mine.

    Leider ist nicht mehr so einfach einen guten SUV mit Untersetzung zu bekommen.


    Since 2010, that is a VERY big problem for me as I need a good SUV (with real 4WD, enough high clearance and a normal spare tire) to drive to the kind of places that I like to visit and to sleep inside (Jeep Wrangler or Liberty or Patriot are too small).


    In 2010, the best I could have was a Ford Explorer that is by far not so good than a Nissan XTerra or a Toyota 4Runner for bad dirt roads (not so good high clearance) but was very nice to sleep inside. It was the only 4WD standard SUV on the parking lot of Alamo, so I was not so unlucky, I could have a worst SUV.



    Philippe

    Und das Fahren auf den Dirtroads war nicht wirklich angenehm. War es bei Deinem ersten Besuch dort auch so sandig? Gerd und ich haben unsere Tour ja abgebrochen, da die sandigen Passagen zu groß wurden und wir nicht das Risiko eingehen, uns fest zu fahren.


    Hallo,


    I was in this area in 2006 and 2009 and there were some sandy sections, not very long but with quite deep sand : to avoid to be stuck in the sand, I used the manual 4WD gear of my Nissan XTerra or my Toyota 4Runner (good SUVs for off road driving). I discourage everybody to try to get there with a crossover SUV or a SUV with only AWD (without low gear), and also to drive with a single SUV in this remote area as any problem could get you in a big trouble, even if I know that some German people are used to say "no risk, no fun !" :)


    Gruss


    Philippe

    Hallo Rainer,



    I encountered (in my SUV) the “hostile” Indian while he was driving his motorcycle quite far away on the dirt road from the North described on Helge's page and on Westernlady's zip file. He told us that "we were on his family's lands" but I don't know exactly where he lives and what area covers "his family's lands". I tried to ask him about the border of his “family’s lands” but he didn’t want to answer this question and he insisted to tell us that "he just doesn't want to see any white people on all these dirt roads" (like some people don't want to see any people speaking another language than their native one on "their" forum ? ;) ), even for money, and that "he doesn't respect any permits given by Cameron, Window Rock or any Chapter House, because it is his land". As I don’t want to meet him again, I am not sure I will come back in this area in the future… :(



    With my american friend (who was with me in 2009 when we encountered the Navajo) we told everything about that story to Helge when we met him and his wife (nice people ! =) ) by chance in the wilderness in May 2010 (I was surprised when Helge said hello calling me by my name :EEK: ). Even if this place is no more a secret, we advised Helge to remove off his website the precise information and GPS waypoints about this area, as there could be big problems if somebody following his information encounters this “hostile Navajo” (and/or somebody of his family) or if somebody leaves his SUV unattended while hiking (some flat tires in this remote area could be a very big trouble !). That’s just our point of view but everybody is free to do what he wants…


    Gruss


    Philippe

    Hello Westernlady,


    Thank you very much for your kind answer, as now I am sure that I was totally wrong in my interpretation of the meaning of what you and your friends were telling about me. It was a terrible misunderstanding, probably because Google did a very bad job of translation from German to French (they have to improve their software !). I apologize a lot for this bad interpretation and I am happy to know that I am sincerely welcome on this forum.


    Have a nice day


    Philippe

    "Exakt diese Erfahrungen habe ich auch bei meinen beiden Blue Canyon Besuchen gemacht. Da traf ich während der Fahrt auch immer auf Locals. Ein freundlicher Gruß von Auto zu Auto und weiter ging's"


    It was the same for me, as driving on IR7 is allowed by Indians.


    But it is not sure that some of the same Indians would be so kind with people hiking and photographing in BC...

    Hello,


    When you write "Na dass ausgerechnet er so viele negative Erfahrungen gemacht hat bzw. davon gehört hat. ", do you mean or suggest that I am a liar ? Maybe is there a misunderstanding if the Google translation in French isn't so good, but if you really want to say that it is not very kind and not very fair...


    All that I told on the post of the other forum is absolutely true and if you wonder why I can report all these "negative" reports, it is easy to understand :


    I have done 17 trips in the Southwest for a total amount of 67 weeks touring mostly "off the beaten tracks" , often in the Indian Reservations, alone or with photographers as Laurent Martres, with american friends (one of them leaving on the Navajo Reservation) and with German friends (that everybody knows on this forum...). The more you visit, the more personal experiences you have and can relate.


    Among the Southwest lovers in France (plus Belgium and French Switzerland), who also know that I collaborated to Photographing the Southwest from Laurent Martres and who appreciate my advices on Voyage Forum, I am welknown to be very knowledgable and helpfull about the Soutwest so, over the years, I have been in the center of a kind of network of french speaking Southwest's fans, I met in person a lot of them and several became good friends. When we meet, they all give me precise reports about their last trips in the Southwest, especially about their "off the beaten places" experiences. Among these numerous reports, there are positive and some negative experiences in the Indian Reservation. It is true that most of them didn't had a negative experience because they didn't encounter any Indians while visiting these places, but part of the few ones who encountered Indians while visiting these places had not so good experiences in the very recent years (mostly since 2009, probably because there are more and more visitors of these remote places).


    On other posts on this thread, if the Google translation is good, it seems that some of you suggest that I am dishonest and that I relate these experiences to make money (as if some outfitters gave me a percentage on their business on these places). This is stupid and I feel insulted about that X( !


    Regards



    Philippe